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The Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast

Mar 13, 2018

Welcome to the 111th episode of the Joshua Gagnon Leadership Podcast! If you enjoy listening to this podcast and it has helped you and your team in any way, please leave us a review on Apple Podcast or Stitcher or take the time to share it on social media. Do you have a question for Pastor Josh about leadership, ministry, or any other topic we’ve covered on the podcast so far? Submit your questions to or @joshgagnon on Twitter and Pastor Josh might answer it on a future episode! On this episode we discuss the difference between a “flu shot leader” and an “IV leader.” Thoughts from this episode: A leader over teams cannot be an IV to everyone under them. A leader who is a flu shot is able to step into conversations, sustain culture, give wisdom, and then move on their way. In the beginning, you have to be more of an IV leader. In certain seasons you need to ask leaders under you to cross-lead their peers. People who are being led under a flu shot feel more authority and take better ownership. Give people space to lead. Your sense of purpose in an organization comes from having ownership. Tips for giving away ownership: -Identify your insecurities (why do I feel like I need to be an IV) -Work on strengthening your weakness -Every time we lean into what’s easy (doing it for them), choose to lean back, pull away, and decide that you’re not going to do their job for them. Quotes from this episode: “Leaders need to be more like a flu shot than an IV.” “Those that you lead will never lead differently until you lead them differently.” *To view the image referenced in this episode, visit